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Sunday, February 7, 2016

Announcing Smiley Face Killer Interview #1 with Gannon and Gilbertson

KILLING KILLERS is pleased to announce our upcoming Smiley Face Killer interview with none other than former NYPD homicide detective Kevin Gannon and internationally renown criminologist D. Lee Gilbertson.

It was Detective Gannon who, in 1997, first identified Victim Zero -- 21yo Patrick McNeill -- in what would become a decades-long *drowning* spree by an elusive "group" dubbed the Smiley Face Serial Killers.

Nearly 20 years ago, Gannon promised McNeill's grieving parents he'd never stop hunting their son's murderer, and to this day he has kept that vow, at great cost and consequence.

read and review Gannon/Gilbertson's 'Case Studies in Drowning Forensics' on Amazon.comIn that epic pursuit, Gannon joined forces with St. Cloud University's acclaimed sociologist and criminal-justice professor, D. Lee Gilbertson, and together this duo became one of Smiley's most relentless and formidable foes.

Since the late 1990s, Gannon and Gilbertson have been throwing a wide net for Smiley; forensically and statistically proving beyond a reasonable doubt, that the missing young men being victimized weren't drowning in cold weather by "accident" or committing "suicide."

In 2014 though, frustrated with local authorities stomping on Smiley Face crime scenes and with coroners rubber-stamping suspicious water fatalities as "accidental," they published the definitive, 462-page death-by-drowning analysis.

Gannon and Gilbertson's Case Studies in Drowning Forensics painstakingly dissects over a dozen  high-profile 'Smiley Face' disappearances and murders in the last 19+ years -- with autopsy results, photos, phone records, GPS data, and other never-before-seen evidence, permanently debunking the official "accidental drowning" myth.

So, if you're independently hunting Smiley too, then don't take another step until you've read this major treatise. Because, yes, your hunch that the Smiley Face cases are actual homicides is correct, and Gannon and Gilbertson can show you why.

And don't miss our exclusive Smiley Face Killer interview with Kevin Gannon and Dr. Gilbertson this week!

THE CASE OF THE DROWNING MEN: Investigating the Smiley Face Serial Murders

MORE ABOUT KEVIN GANNON: Kevin Gannon retired as a Detective-Sergeant for the NYC Police Department after 20 years of service, 14 of which were in supervisory positions. In addition to policing, he has extensive training and experience in personal and physical security, investigation and surveillance, and disaster response, including biochemical warfare training with the Department of Defense. Gannon has held leadership positions in the personal protection of numerous international dignitaries and celebrities, and was an NYPD representative on ex NYC mayor Giuliani’s 1997 "Operation ICE" (Interagency Chemical Exercise) task force, which planned and coordinated emergency responses to any major chemical disaster in lower Manhattan. 

As a detective and sergeant, Gannon routinely supervised plainclothes personnel in anti-crime, narcotics and robbery units, and was second in charge of the NYPD's Missing Persons Squad. He also headed the Bronx Homicide Task Force 'Nightwatch' from 1999 until his retirement. During his distinguished career in law enforcement, Gannon has made over 1000 felony arrests for offenses involving narcotics, burglaries, robberies and homicides, and was awarded almost 100 medals for heroism in the line of duty. As such, he remains one of the most decorated members of the Special Investigation Division of the NYPD's Detective Bureau, receiving the Medal of Valor twice before retiring. In 2008, Gannon also received the Frederic Milton Thrasher award for his continued investigative work on gang crime, a field in which he's also considered an expert.

ABOUT D. LEE GILBERTSON: A three-time recipient of the Frederic Milton Thrasher award, Dr. Gilbertson holds a doctorate in sociology with a concentration in gang criminology and substance abuse, as well as a Master of Science in Criminal Justice focusing on criminology and victimology. His background includes 16 years of exemplary military service (signals intelligence and infantry) from 1976 to 1992. He also trained in and served as the unit Alcohol and Drug Coordination officer (responsible for substance-abuse prevention training and overseeing urinalysis collections), and as the unit Nuclear and Biochemical Warfare Defense officer.

Dr. Gilbertson currently teaches at Saint Cloud State University and regularly works as a law enforcement consultant, providing training in the areas of forensic victimology, crime analysis, and gangs. He has in fact studied gangs, militias, and extremist groups since 1995 and is a certified gang specialist as well as the executive editor of the Journal of Gang Research. He's also presented and taught at numerous national and international conferences and academic institutions, and is a staff member of the National Gang Crime Research Center, participating in all phases of its 'International Gang Specialist Training' conferences.


  1. Replies
    1. @Ace: Evidently Gilbertson cannot locate Gannon, who's in travel mode and "doesn't check email" often. I (Roxy) have forwarded some 20+ questions to them and am eagerly awaiting to hear back, too.

      Apologies for the delay in publishing this feature interview, everyone, but thank you for visiting Killing Killers today (and for your patience).


    2. this is satanic ritual killing.

  2. Thanks for the quick response! Ace

  3. He

    Kevin Gannon was NEVER in Homocide. He was a Sgt in Missing Persons and is unstable and a self promoting nut. Look him up online! There you will find he is a molester and a kook.

  4. How are these two academically or professionally qualified from a physical science discipline to "forensically and statistically [prove] their statements?

  5. Kevin Gannon fled the state of Minnesota to avoid a criminal investigation.... Sounds like a great dude

    1. Maybe the reason they're having such difficulty in pursuing the killers is due to Gannon's lack of control around the young female searchers whenever a body goes missing

  6. Lee and Kevin have done more than ANYONE to track down and eliminate this evil underground criminal organization. The smileys MUST be stopped at all costs!

  7. Yep! These two formidable foes have been relentlessly tracking Smiley since my birth year, 1997. That is some good ol' fashioned "detective" work.

  8. Thank you two so much for protecting me everyday by hunting down these sick bastards! THEY NEED TO BE STOPPED! For the sake of humanity! These blood thirsty SOB's need to be brought to justice.

    Thank you

    Young athletic male #3

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  10. I know who you are...

  11. "Anonymous August 29, 2017 at 12:24 PM" Don't you DARE try to intimidate us! We will find you, and HUNT you down. You sick SOB. Lee and Kevin are hot on your trail and soon you will be caught in the pit of justice!



  12. This may be the biggest load of horsesh** I have read in my life.

  13. "AnonymousAugust 29, 2017 at 3:24 PM" You think so? I challenge you to take a dive into the smileys. You will be shocked at what you find. I am currently working on a theory that examines smiley killings being within a close proximity to prime white tail deer habitat. It is my belief, that the smileys are actually a supernatural earthly being, and they are in cahoots with the majestic white tail deer that is often found within the river valleys where these crimes occur. I am also examining the relationship that squirrels have with the white tails. I believe that the squirrels might possibly be some sort of scout or spotter for the smileys and the white tail deer. This might have to do with the fact that large trees are often found in prime deer territory. Furthermore, if my findings turn out to be true, I will petition each states department of natural resources and request them to immediately wipe out the gray and red squirrel populations, as well as the entire population of white tail deer. By working closely with the smileys, these furry animals must be considered traitors and be dealt with immediately.

    Thomas Q

  14. Thomas Q, you are a fuckin' idiot!

  15. "AnonymousAugust 29, 2017 at 4:25 PM" I beg to differ... My research is backed by empirical evidence. Let me demonstrate: Smileys Like Rivers --> Rivers Are Made Of Water --> Water Grows Trees --> Trees Are Home For Squirrels --> Squirrels Have Fur --> Deer Also Have Fur --> Deer Drink Water --> RIVERS ARE MADE OF WATER!

    It seems there IS a connection. I wait for your response.

    Thomas Q

  16. Thomas Q,

    I am intrigued by this theory. I too have been analyzing squirrels and smileys. There is way too much evidence to ignore. Please tell me how you ID'd the deer working with the Smileys? This is the connection I fail to follow.


    L.W. Madson

  17. Let me get this straight. These two "experts" have been "hunting" the SFK for some 20 years. It was not until Feb 2016 that Rox first mentioned an interviewed that never took place, the process of checking email eludes Gannon as much as the SFK, some 20 questions are still unanswered by this dynamic duo, and their "forensics" textbook (if you can call it that) contains nothing in the realm of legitimate research or analyses. WOW! These two are A+ rated!

  18. If you connect all the dots from the deer, squirrels, missing persons, river locations, and smileys it is blatantly obvious that the SFK is still on the prowl. How can you deny this?

  19. Furthermore, how do you know this theory is innacurate!? You slander the names of great men that have dedicated twenty years to the SFK cause when NO ONE ELSE LISTENED OR BELIEVED. SMILEY IS REAL AND THEY ARE OUT TO GET AS MANY YOUNG HANDSOME ATHLETIC MALES AS THEY CAN. THEY WONT STOP. THEY ALMOST GOT ME ONCE BUT I HID IN A BUSH AND STILL AM TRAUMATIZED TO THIS DAY.


  20. I've never told anyone this before, but after seeing all these thoughtful and heartfelt posts, I cannot hold back any longer.
    I was leaving a bar in a crowded university town in 2003. I had been drinking quite a bit and was what the experts would call "shit faced." I said goodbye to my friends and I was too belligerent to listen to them as they pleaded for me to get a cab. "What's the worst that could happen?" I asked myself. Boy, I was in for a rough night.
    As I'm walking home, I heard the loud distinct chirp of the majestic gray squirrel. This caught me off guard as they are usually long asleep by this time. I frantically looked around for the rodent, but couldn't see it. This startled me so much, I darted across a yard, over a fence, through an alley, ultimately ending up in a dumpster bin.
    My heart was racing. What did I just hear? Was it a squirrel? Before I could worry any further, a 12 point buck (whitetail) came slowly walking by the dumpster bin. I remind you, this was at 2am!!! I immediately shit my pants a little bit. WHERE DID THIS DEER COME FROM?!?!??? And why was it walking down an alley right past me???
    I waited until it was approximately 1/10th of a mile further down the alley before I sprinted away from the animal. The buzz form my 12 Miller high life's was starting to wear off. I could now clearly think about the seriousness of the situation I was in. 1 deer and a squirrel, targeting me! But why? The answer was soon apparent.
    A white conversion van with a yellow smiley face painted on its side immediately pulled up in front of me. Out popped 2 men. Both wearing giant smiley face masks. One was carrying some sort of ancient Chinese sword and the other had a large plastic bag. The sword baring bastard took a swing at me! I ducked out of the way... so I thought. Blood began rushing down my arm. The garbage bag suddenly flew over my head. I quickly turned and kicked the garbage bag smiley straight in the testicles rendering him useless! (It was only after this altercation that I realized how blood thirsty these horny bastards were, and kicking him in the balls probably only fueled that desire) I ripped off the bag and turned to see a Chinese sword flying at my face. A quick barrel roll solved that problem. I jumped over a bush and picked up a large pine cone. I then jumped back over that bush, and stuck that tree seed directly into the sword baring smileys eye! He, or it, screamed in pain! I turned to look at where the garbage bag smiley was, and he was no longer where I had last seen him! I turned back around in time to see a van door close, and watch the van peel out leaving behind on the pavement what must have been close to 1/4 inch of rubber. Blood still running down my arm, I booked it home. Upon arriving home, I quickly bandaged my arm and called the authorities!

    It was only years later I learned that I had just had a face to face encounter with the infamous SFK!!!! How lucky I am to be alive!!! Again, this story is 100 percent true!!!!!


  21. WOW! What you have shared with this group and Rox is no doubt the biggest pile of horse shit I have read this morning. Did you happen to have relations with the animals before the alleged SFKillers jumped out of their van? Perhaps you were also abducted by small, green skinned, large eyed aliens who conducted unspeakable experiments on you. Please share.

  22. SmileySurvivor32,

    Absolutely astonishing stuff!!!

    Your story directly backs my theory in basically every way possible! I am floored! I have so many questions to ask you. Please please please email me so I may ask you these!


    Thank You,

    Thomas Q

  23. "True crime writer EPONYMOUS ROX covers cops, curs and killers, and is a regular contributor to Crime Magazine, the GatherNews agency, Associated Content (Yahoo Contributor Network), and the Killing Killers website. Follow Roxy for ongoing 'Smiley Face Serial Killer' news, missing persons alerts, unsolved case updates, and breaking headlines."

    WOW! this dude recycles and regurgitates "NEWS stories" that have,a best, 4th party accounts. What a piece of shit.

  24. TEN TIPS for Eluding...seriously.

    I am a young, athletic male, between the ages of 17 and 30. I have had numerous nights out on the town, walked home ALONE on bridges over bodies of water/ walked home ALONE near bodies of water and I have yet to see or experience any resembling a SFK.

    This blog and its supporters are fucking pathetic.

    1. Hey Einstein, you do know that that you're not guaranteed to be targeted just because you walk alone right? You don't sound too smart

  25. GannonGilbertsonFan73August 31, 2017 at 9:32 AM

    Wow. Love the support but dislike the hate! Lee and Kevin have done enough for this country! Alerting everyone (Who is a young, white, athletic, male) about the smiley face killers should have earned them a Nobel Peace Prize! But NO! The FBI tells them they're delusional. Their peers tell them they're high on crack cocaine. When will it stop? Give these men the credit they truly deserve.

    Yours truly,


  26. "AnonymousAugust 30, 2017 at 9:31 AM"
    I have been following the 10 tips ever since they were released and I haven't been killed yet! who are you to say we are pathetic for protecting our own lives

  27. Dear smiley diary,

    Today I didn't I get killed. I walked along a body of water that was within a 50 mile radius of a major interstate highway and I lived to talk about it. How could this be? How did I survive? I'll tell you! Rox's ten tips! That's how!!! Keep on keeping on!

  28. I'm sitting in my 1200 level forensic drowning course and daydreaming about the day Lee and Kevin will have a statue of themselves on the lawn of the White House. When they finally catch the killers, and bring them in one by one to face justice.... oh what a time to be alive that will be. Lee and Kevin will have entire sections of textbooks devoted to them! Oh yes! I can't freaking wait. My heros!

  29. Rox? Where are you? This blog is blowing up!